Factory installed Twin H

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Is there a way to tell on my 53 308 Hornet coupe if it is a factory Twin H power car . the inside door emblems dont have any hp numbers on them .

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  • nick s
    nick s Senior Contributor
    no, but there can be clues that it wasn't. such as lack of a twin-h trunk emblem, incorrect bell crank, incorrect heater pipe or head fitting, the bend of the vaccum advance line. though any of these should have been corrected when the conversion was done.
    if it's a hydramatic car, the stud under the gas pedal you may be able to distinguish between a factory edge and a field cut, they had a score line to mark the cut as the pedal has more travel with twin-h. of course the installer may have neglected this step.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User]
    stateline wrote:
    Is there a way to tell on my 53 308 Hornet coupe if it is a factory Twin H power car . the inside door emblems dont have any hp numbers on them .

    The only year Hudson used horsepower numbers on the Hornets was in 1951. From then on the medalion just said 'HORNET' . So seeing that alone in your car dosen't say if your car was factory twin H or not. Look at the coil bracket. If you have a bracket that has a piece welded at the top center for linkage , then this was used for a two barrel,not a twin H job. Check the head to see if there were any marks left from the two barrel linkage brackets. They don't line up in the same holes as twin H. If the head is origional and hasn't been painted that may tell you something. At this point it may be quite difficult to tell if it was factory or subsequent installation after 54 years or so.
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    Hudzilla wrote:
    The only year Hudson used horsepower numbers on the Hornets was in 1951. From then on the medalion just said 'HORNET' . So seeing that alone in your car dosen't say if your car was factory twin H or not. Look at the coil bracket. If you have a bracket that has a piece welded at the top center for linkage , then this was used for a two barrel,not a twin H job. Check the head to see if there were any marks left from the two barrel linkage brackets. They don't line up in the same holes as twin H. If the head is origional and hasn't been painted that may tell you something. At this point it may be quite difficult to tell if it was factory or subsequent installation after 54 years or so.



    I know they used them, at least in the wasp in 52, as well. I think they said 127, if memory serves correct.... I thought Hornets had them in for 52? 145?
  • [Deleted User]
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    hudsonkid wrote:
    I know they used them, at least in the wasp in 52, as well. I think they said 127, if memory serves correct.... I thought Hornets had them in for 52? 145?
    Kid , There may have been a few that slipped in, but the "145" was a designation for the Hornet in the first year of production. "127" was the Wasp designation in the 1952-3 model years. Actually the 145 indicated the alleged horsepower but in reality by the time in was done in 54 the horsepower had increased to about 170. Lets face it Hudson couldn't keep up with changing the medalion dies as fast as the engineers kept increasing the hp!!
  • Walt-LA
    Walt-LA Senior Contributor
    I've never seen the H-145 door badge on an original car that was not a '51. The Hornet's 308 engine was introduced as the "H-145 engine," which represented its HP. The engine continued to be referred to as the H-145 engine, in '52, for which the HP was also given as 145 in sales literature. Intro of "Twin-H-Power" that year changed that rating, which could well be why the logo was changed. The Wasp, being introduced in '52 carried the 127for its HPin its introductory year. Was it continued into '53 and '54?



    Walt-LA
  • [Deleted User]
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    Walt-LA wrote:
    I've never seen the H-145 door badge on an original car that was not a '51. The Hornet's 308 engine was introduced as the "H-145 engine," which represented its HP. The engine continued to be referred to as the H-145 engine, in '52, for which the HP was also given as 145 in sales literature. Intro of "Twin-H-Power" that year changed that rating, which could well be why the logo was changed. The Wasp, being introduced in '52 carried the 127for its HPin its introductory year. Was it continued into '53 and '54?



    Walt-LA
    Only in 53 Walter. After that the interior style was changed and they were all gone. Really by 53 the only stepdowns left were Hornet and Wasp anyway.
  • Browniepetersen
    Browniepetersen Senior Contributor
    Walt,

    My 1952 Hudson has the H-145 badges and I can attest that it is all original. By the way, my Hornet did not come with the twin H. I installed it with the engine rebuild. One method not mentioned is the different size spring that was placed on the A-arm on the manifold side with the twin H set up. I have seen quite a few cars with twin H that the owner did not replace the spring.



    Brownie
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