resistance unit on 1935 distributor??
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HI TOM, The original manual does not use that tirminalogy, which I expect they mean the condenser {which in a sense is a resistor as it reroutes the voltage to allow the coil to build to it's max voltage } when they say resistance unit. Never on any distributor on any car have I seen anything other than a condenser, either under the cap or mounted on the outside,works the same either place A resistor is used between the ignition switch and the coil on 12volt cars with a coil that does not have a built in resistor to bring it down to 6volts at the coil. You would not want any "resistance unit" in the primary circuit at the distributor , just the condenser. You want all the voltage you can get there, hence the modern HEI systems. SHOOT THE JUICE TO ME BRUCE. BUD0
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Tom, the resistor mentioned in the literature is indeed a resistor. They were used through '36, and on the bottom-end '37 model. It was mounted on a small plate at the distributor screw terminal where the wire from the coil attaches. One end of the resistance was connected to the plate, which meant it was connected to the distributor terminal; the other end was connected to an insulated terminal on the plate, to which the coil wire connected. The '34-'37 service manual shows a pretty good photo of the resistor installation. Resistor assemblies for six and eight-cylinder engines were different, and look slightly different. Reason for the resistor: these early models didn't have a true voltage regulator ... it was actually a current limiter. Using the movable third brush of the generator, it was adjusted to produce around 8v at typical running speed. That voltage caused higher coil current, which caused excessive ignition point burning. The resistor dropped enough voltage to eliminate that problem. A true voltage regulator was introduced on Hudsons in '37 except for the Model 71, so the resistor was no longer needed. If you're using a later regulator with voltage running about 7.2, you don't need or want the resistor there.
This same situation with the generator voltage is why, in the old days, on a long trip folks would run with their headlights on, to pull the generator voltage down a bit and avoid over-charging the battery. As with many later outmoded practices, this one lived well into the fifties even though effective voltage regulators had become common from the late thirties.0 -
Well just goes to show we learn something every day. Was a condensor also used along with? seems like one had to be. Thanks for the update Park. Bud0
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Bud, there was indeed still the need for a condenser for the ignition system. One is crucial to generating a long-duration spark. If I recall correctly from my '36, it was mounted inside the distributor as the later ones are. In addition, if the car had a radio there were noise suppression condensers in various places such as on the gas gauge and temp gauge sending units.0
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PARK, would this happen to be the resistor you are referring to ? On Ebay # 320250346419 BUD0
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37 Terraplane#2 wrote:PARK, would this happen to be the resistor you are referring to ? On Ebay # 320250346419 BUD
Bud, I think that has something to do with the suspension pre shock absorber time? Could be wrong though.
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Bud, Your right about the resistance unit listed on Ebay. It is the same as the one mounted on the Delco Distributor in my 20' Essex.
Essexly,
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DAVE, I was'nt right about it, gueseing, trying to learn a bit. Used to think I knew a bit about old cars till I got mixed up with you guys with ANCEINT cars !! That thing has got to be a monster to find !! How about somebody that knows how to describe it post it up here were the guys will see it, I do'nt really know how to say what it really is !! BUD0
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37 Terraplane#2 wrote:DAVE, I was'nt right about it, gueseing, trying to learn a bit. Used to think I knew a bit about old cars till I got mixed up with you guys with ANCEINT cars !! That thing has got to be a monster to find !! How about somebody that knows how to describe it post it up here were the guys will see it, I do'nt really know how to say what it really is !! BUD
This is it!!
We ALL learn from each other!!:):)0 -
Dave, that critter in the photo may indeed be an ignition resistor, but it's totally different looking from the ones on our original Auto-Lite distributors of the early-mid thirties. On the latter, mounted to the bracket there's a small "card" with the resistor wire winding visible ... no cover of any sort.0
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Hi Park,
This style mounts right on the side of the distributor. On the backside of the metal disc is a ceramic insulator w/ the resistance winding on it. Here are a couple pictures that show it better.
Essexly,
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Well Dave, as the ol' guy said, "You done learned me some brains." Interesting design, quite different from ones on the Auto-Lite distributors. I'll be in the UK in a couple of days, down near Portsmouth, and will attend the big Beaulieu Autojumble on Saturday. Maybe I'll see one of these round ones in the flesh (in the tin?)0
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The purpose of the resistors, even in modern systems, is to give a full fat spark for starting purposes. When the engine is cold it takes a lot more current through the starter to turn over, and there is more voltage drop, which of course reduces the spark intensity, which can lead to hard starting. The coils used with resistance systems are designed to operate on a reduced voltage. Wire resistors as used here are actually not resistors until they heat up, usually taking a few minutes to do so. Hence, when you first turn the key, the full voltage goes to the coil, so the spark is still good even when the engine is cranking cold. As the resistor heats up, the voltage to the coil drops to it's intended operating level. Just a brief outline!
Geoff.0 -
I believe this is that of which you speak. It's shown in closeup, and then next to some of the other distributor parts, for a size comparison. I believe it goes on the outside of the distributor. I think it's maybe 1" (25mm) long, give or take. Autolite part #Sp-4008, if you have the guts to ask the 20-year-old counterman at your local NAPA....0
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