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Looking great, and I know your going to have lots of fun with that!0
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Very correct looking battery too. Is it a topper?0
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Dave53-7C wrote:Very correct looking battery too. Is it a topper?
The battery is actually an Optima (jell cell) hidden inside a period correct case. I ordered one of the plastic look alike cases that someone mentioned here awhile back, but was very dissapointed with it -- looked like something you'd buy at Wal-Mart in the kids toy section, with silver painted simulated lead cell connectors, etc. Not sure what I'll do with that thing ( maybe make a flower pot out of it or something ), but it'll never see the underside of the hood on one of my Hudsons !
The battery I'm using here is spot-on for authenticity, indisdiguishable from what would have been NOS, and has all the power, and storage capacity a modern battery can offer, with none of the headaches associated with the original, such as acid vapours, low fluid issues, etc. ( Guess that's why they use them in helicopters, and airplanes). When you lift the caps, you see the top of the Optima in there, but of course you never need to add acid or water to these batteries.
That's my idea of having your cake and eating it too !!
By the way, the car is still 6 volt, positive ground, as per original.
silverone.0 -
Some bigger pictures for those interested can be seen at :
http://hudsoncollector.com/forum_viewtopic.php?16.708.00 -
I've never seen a really bad case or topper yet, but I understand what you're saying about the poor quality. I'd pour the lead connectors myself and glue them on top of the battery before I'd go with a toy-like topper. What sort of flowers will you be planting in the dud battery case?

I've had good luck with Optima batteries too.0 -
Dave53-7C wrote:I've never seen a really bad case or topper yet, but I understand what you're saying about the poor quality. I'd pour the lead connectors myself and glue them on top of the battery before I'd go with a toy-like topper. What sort of flowers will you be planting in the dud battery case?

I've had good luck with Optima batteries too.
Well, I was sort of thinking of something like '59 Caddy tailights, or similar, on stalks, 3, or four in a bunch, at different lengths, with some chrome trim ends for "leaves sticking out around them, ( one or two bent over like a real leaf ), like the flowers around Stanley in the movie "Cars".
Maybe I'd put a battery in there too, and have the flowers light up !!
Nahhh -- just kidding -- the thing'll probably wind up as parts bin for old rusty bolts or some such.0 -
Sounds lovely. Perhaps you can supplement your income by selling them here or on eBay. LOL
Well, if you can't use the item for the intended purpose, at least it will make an unusual parts bin.
On a different note, is the coil you're using stock?0 -
Wow, I'd have thought those blocks the wheels are sitting on would cause a rough ride or at least a lot of drag. I must really have some power to push those around. Just kidding, it looks great, does the Optima have a lot more starting power? I'm not at all happy with the six volt Centennial in the Hash.
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Silverone,
That twin H 308 looks every bit as good in the car as it did on your test stand. I bet it runs great! Keep up the good work.0 -
Harry Hill wrote:Wow, I'd have thought those blocks the wheels are sitting on would cause a rough ride or at least a lot of drag. I must really have some power to push those around. Just kidding, it looks great, does the Optima have a lot more starting power? I'm not at all happy with the six volt Centennial in the Hash.
Harry
The engine is probably a bit tight yet Harry, so its hard to say how it'll be when it loosens up a bit, but there is certainly no issue with the way it turns over on the starter even now. A couple flips and away she goes !!
Yes, the coil is stock, but its a new one ( six volt ), just off the shelf stuff, no super duper blow your socks off zapper snappers here - probably bought it at KGap, but can't remember now.
Got 'er all together tonight except for the hood. I'll leave that off for a day or two 'till I finish diddlin' with the carbs and tweakin' this 'n that.
Then ---- look out world -- silverone's let the Hudson out again !!0 -
My car starts but it always seems like the starter is dragging. One of the first things I did was rebuild the starter so I'm pretty confident it is okay but it feels as though the battery isn't putting out full voltage, my volt ohm meter is sick so I haven't checked what the actual voltage is but I used the battery to jump start a VW and it didn't crank over very fast either. I looked at the Optima at Autozone the other day, $180 is pretty steep. I found them online for $145 with free shipping so I think I'll go with that company. Good luck Silverone, you're car is looking great.
Harry0 -
Harry Hill wrote:My car starts but it always seems like the starter is dragging. One of the first things I did was rebuild the starter so I'm pretty confident it is okay but it feels as though the battery isn't putting out full voltage, my volt ohm meter is sick so I haven't checked what the actual voltage is but I used the battery to jump start a VW and it didn't crank over very fast either. I looked at the Optima at Autozone the other day, $180 is pretty steep. I found them online for $145 with free shipping so I think I'll go with that company. Good luck Silverone, you're car is looking great.
Harry
One thing that seems to get a puzzled look every time I do it, is if I start the car while I've got a couple of onlookers close by. You and I already know that 6 volts just won't spin a starter over as fast as a 12 will, but the torque is there nevertheless. Those of us who are old enough to remember owning and driving older 6 volt cars, ( my first car was a '53 Ford flathead 8, and second was a '50 Merc coupe ) will remember how they all turned over slower but always started just fine, if they were in tune just like any car needs to be. I remember many a 30 below morning when I'd start up that Merc, and go push start, or help someone boost start some friends 10 year newer 12 volt cars !
Now that we're all used to geared starters and twelve volts, the cranking speed of a six volt sounds rather like a 12 with a sick battery, and if we don't know any different, we think something is wrong.
I'd say, put a meter on your starter, and battery while cranking the engine and see if everything is per original spec. If so - then no worries in this department. At least you'll be hearing the same sound when you crank her over as every buyer did when they drove them off the showroom floor with a grin from ear to ear before '55. To me, that's as good as it gets !
I'm an ex logging contractor, and for twenty five winters or so I've had to start all sorts of equipment with frozen engines every morning that's sat outside at -20 or -30 all night or over a weekend. You kinda get very sensitive to what it takes to start an engine under those conditions, and compared to that situation, starting a Hudson with 6 volts is a virtual non-issue, even in sub zero weather. As for Optima batteries, my shop van had a gas welder in it that often sat unused for weeks or even months until it was needed. Never once, did it's Optima battery fail to respnd when I hit the starter button and start the engine, even at deep sub-zero temperatures! That, to me, was proof enough that Optima is the way to go for the Hudson -- providing of course I could find a way to "hide" the fact that I was using one, which is why I've used the retro case.0 -
I'll post a photo of a 6V Optima for those that are wondering why people hide them. I love my Optima, I used to dislike the look of it, but after a couple years of people looking under the hood and asking "What the heck is THAT?" I kinda like the look now...
To give some perspective, their 6 volt is half the size of their 12 volt.0 -
This picture shows the disquise
available for the Optima 6 volt battery.
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No matter which battery you use be sure you use cables (+ and -) rated for 6 volts. 12 volt cables will NOT pass current properly for a 6 volt system. I make mine using welding lead and have yet to experience slow starting0
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Harry Hill wrote:My car starts but it always seems like the starter is dragging. One of the first things I did was rebuild the starter so I'm pretty confident it is okay but it feels as though the battery isn't putting out full voltage, my volt ohm meter is sick so I haven't checked what the actual voltage is but I used the battery to jump start a VW and it didn't crank over very fast either. I looked at the Optima at Autozone the other day, $180 is pretty steep. I found them online for $145 with free shipping so I think I'll go with that company. Good luck Silverone, you're car is looking great.
Harry
Harry, as Birdman mentioned below, you may want to upsize your battery cables to 6V type (heavier gage wire). My Brother in laws 57 Hash used to struggle starting, and finally at Doc's meet one year the cable actually melted down. He put in a 6V ground cable from one of the vendors there and that took care of the problem for good.
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Yep, that may be the problem. My ground cable is definately 12v cable and may have too much resistance. I bought a regular 6v cable from Eddie when I was down at Bill A's a couple of weeks ago but it was too short and I haven't been able to get back down there. None of the local parts stores carry the 6v cable. I think I'll get by Bill's tomorrow if I'm lucky so I'll get a longer cable.
Harry0 -
http://www.wiringproducts.com/index1.html
In my 29 I used 3/0 cable and ends this place sells. She starts pretty damn good now.0 -
WildWasp wrote:This picture shows the disquise
available for the Optima 6 volt battery.
Wildwasp, no offense intended, but that case looks like the one I have that I'm going to use as a flowerpot. If the simulated lead cell connectors are just raised plastic bumps, and painted silver (poorly at that), then that's the one.
Antique Auto Battery out of Hudson, Ohio, is the place to get the best one I've seen. It comes with the Optima already sealed in the case, and looks just like the "real" thing.0 -
Here is the link for Antique Auto Battery.
http://www.antiqueautobattery.com/
In defense of the case that Silverone wants to use as a flowerpot, I have used one on my '49 Commodore for long while and no one has noticed that it was not real.0
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