Please help identify this car
Hi, just joined the forum in hopes that someone here could help me identify this car. It's been in our back field since 1955 when my father helped the owner dismantle the motor and remove the transmission. The owner could not afford to pay for the repairs to the transmission, so it's sat in our field ever since, the owner and his heirs having all passed away, we were wondering exactly how old this car is. My uncle guesses it is a 1946, but we don't know for sure. Hoping someone here knows the year and exact model. The little silver decals say it's a wasp. The grill is not pictured as it is in the trunk with the motor that my dad helped remove and quite frankly, I'm scared to open the trunk for fear of what critters might be inside. Here are three pictures I took this afternoon.



Thanks to all for looking.



Thanks to all for looking.
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Hi It appears to be a 1952 or 53 Hudson Wasp. What are you planning to do with her? Steve0
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Curious where you are located- its in remarkably good shape, rust-wise, for having sat out for 50 years.0
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Mike (WA) wrote:Curious where you are located- its in remarkably good shape, rust-wise, for having sat out for 50 years.
I'd be concerned about it sitting in the dirt - the bottoms of the "frame" rails could be gone in several places.0 -
The casr is a '53 Wasp0
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53 Wasp, check the hood ornament.0
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Sorry, ment to say 52 Wasp0
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Steve E. wrote:Sorry, ment to say 52 Wasp
So this Hudson was only 3 years old when it was parked here ???? Hmmmmmmm0 -
Hi, I would be interested in which transmission it had, and where is it now? In a barn or shop, maybe? Steve0
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i highly doubt this car has been sitting since 55, i think the paint would be in worse shape. but you never know?!0
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52 or 53 doesn't jive with what my uncle and my dad were saying. My dad claims it was an "old" car when parked. They could be mistaken though. I saw someone mention the hood ornament, would the year be somewhere there? Or perhaps their memories are confusing what year they retired it to the bush. I might go out for a walk later and see if I can brush enough moss off the license plate to see what was the last year the car was registered.
The grill is in the trunk, according to my father, but his memory might be a bit rusty.
The car actually has remarkably little rust on the body, there's a tiny bit at the very bottom of both of the sides of the car, and none that I can see anywhere else. It has been parked under a very thick bunch of trees for the last 50 years or so. It's quite well protected from the weather by the trees, as we live in northern Alberta and the outside of that car looks that good after sitting through half a century of Alberta winters. I think the worst of what you can see in the pictures on the paint is actually moss, which is how you can tell that's the north side of the car. LOL.
The tires are gone, the rims are probably still hanging around here somewhere as my grandfather had a habit of taking parts off of whatever he could find and integrating them into wagons to pull behind his horses and such. LOL, there's quite a pile of stuff back there, I'm sure they can't be too far away.
The transmission was never returned here as the owner could not afford to pay for it, I have no idea where it ended up.
And as for what we were planning to do with the car, my uncle and I are talking about seeing if we could clean it up and get it to work. At which point we'd extricate it from the dirt. It actually looks like a coyote might be using the space under the hood as a winter time home.
Although, like you said, the condition of the underside of the car is a mystery. It is sitting on a spot that is very rarely wet, the ground always seems hard there, even in the spring, so I couldn't even guess. I can tell you that what I can see of the inside of the floor of the vehicle doesn't look to be rusted through.
Any other information I will have to go locate and drag my father from his fishing boat to give you. I'll quiz him further tonight.0 -
There's no question that the car is a '52 or '53. As to the condition of the underside, you would want to very carefully check this before committing yourself to fixing the car up. These cars had an integral body and frame (almost universal nowadays, but quite unusual when your car was new). The perimeter frame was of a lighter gauge steel than the standard frames used in body & frame construction. When these cars were left 'out in the elements' or driven on salty highways, the perimeter frame tended to rust, and a frame repair is a very involved operation. Looking at these pictures, with the car sitting right down on the ground, it seems quite improbable that the frame has survived intact. But then...maybe your earth has embalming fluid or natural mellowing agents in it, LOL!
Anyway, do carefully check the perimeter frame (after you lift the car up), especially aft of the rear wheels, before making any decisions!0 -
The car is without a doubt a 53 Wasp... the hood ornament for the 53 is the same as the 52 model cars but with a chromed inverted V.
See the following picture:
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i argee with rambo, im scared to see the frame and inside lower panels. swiss cheese. but...... great parts car!! i would be interested in alot of those parts. the glass looks good too.0
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Really - before you spend a bunch of time doing anything you should drag a jack and some stands or wood blocks and get it safely of the ground so you can inspect/probe the areas all around the perimeter and inner frame rails, front floor pans, and the trunk floor area.
Rust in the external sheet metal is not nearly as important an issue as structural problems with the unitbody itself.
Here are some examples from my 49 ~ which sat out in Palm Springs, CA for the last 25 years before I got it. There were significantly more rust issues with my car than I saw when I first got it home.
Take a look through my website for a ton more pictures of the rust and repairs I had to make. Hindsight being 20/20 ~ I would have used my car for parts only and found as near a "rust free" car as possible. But alas, I was too far into it with time and repairs and just had to suck it up and finish it.
These repairs would have been astronomically/prohibitively expensive had I not done all the work myself.
In this picture taken the day the car was delivered. Looking on the outside of the sheet metal and a loose inspection of the trunk area - doesn't look too bad.
But, after poking around with a pick hamer and screwdriver the full extent of the problems came to "light" so to speak...as in "daylight' showing thru :mad:
Not only did I have to patch the perimiter frame rails - I had to replace both front floor pans, the entire trunk area and even the internal braces inside the trunk.



Please don't think I'm trying to scare you off this project - the more Hudsons on the road the better - just trying to prepare you for what might be there and save you some time and grief (= money)0 -
not to mention that rambos c8 wasnt sitting on the ground since 58!! BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU GET INTO. if you do decide to persue this car project you have come to the right place for help. every one in here is friendly and full of knowledge. ps join the het club, ever more resources. good luck! -john0
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Trunk Handle Identilfies Ils As A 52 Pacemaker, Not A Wasp0
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bill a wrote:Trunk Handle Identilfies Ils As A 52 Pacemaker, Not A Wasp
Bill, I was thinking 52 pacemaker, as well, mainly due to the trunk handle and lower hudson emblem, absence of the higher end window trim, but the owner said the trunk emblem said wasp. I can't think of another fit, but a 53 wasp.
Only thing I can't figure out is that darned trunk handle/emblem. But 53 wasp makes sense for everything else. Does anyone think that this thing being perhaps canadian, has some bearing on the trim/emblem package?
Did 53 wasps have the older style hood ornament, like the one Ken attached? Do 53 Super wasps have the hornet style hood ornament?
Right now, I'm going with 53 wasp, but would love to know the VIN to see who might have guessed right.0 -
Oh wow, lots of information. I'm going to have to take note as I'm unable to get to the car until we send out our cattle shipment next Tuesday. The car is in the same area as the cows and if I go out there I'll scare them and then my name will be something worse than mud.
We were talking about the lack of rust on the body of the car yesterday though, and we decided that it's probably because the car was never driven on a salted road. Of course, we won't commit to what we're doing with it until we get it out of the ground. Probably will have to cut the tree down that's growing beside it too, likely any movement of the car will run it into the tree.
I guess it's been there this long, another week won't make it fall apart any more. I will be back when I have more information. I just chose a bad week to go out exploring the back field.0 -
stiney wrote:Oh wow, lots of information. I'm going to have to take note as I'm unable to get to the car until we send out our cattle shipment next Tuesday. The car is in the same area as the cows and if I go out there I'll scare them and then my name will be something worse than mud.
We were talking about the lack of rust on the body of the car yesterday though, and we decided that it's probably because the car was never driven on a salted road. Of course, we won't commit to what we're doing with it until we get it out of the ground. Probably will have to cut the tree down that's growing beside it too, likely any movement of the car will run it into the tree.
I guess it's been there this long, another week won't make it fall apart any more. I will be back when I have more information. I just chose a bad week to go out exploring the back field.
There's never a bad time to go scout out old Hudsons!
We look forward to hearing about what you find when you get a chance to get back to the car.0 -
I think our model confusion is because this is a Canadian Hudson. If I remember correctly, the northern Hudsons used some Pacemaker trim on some Wasps. Maybe 51HornetA will be able to shed some light on this car.0
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royer wrote:I think our model confusion is because this is a Canadian Hudson. If I remember correctly, the northern Hudsons used some Pacemaker trim on some Wasps. Maybe 51HornetA will be able to shed some light on this car.
The handle does say Wasp on it. I will try to see if there's a VIN number that's readable on it when I get the chance.
This is causing a major argument between some stubborn old men in my family BTW. They refuse to believe that it's a 52 or a 53, so now they're arguing over who last rode in it and when and how old there were when they did so. I think I'd rather trust my mom's memory, she says she rode in the car when her and my dad first started dating, so according to her it was still running in 1957. (BTW, my parents are now arguing over that date as well. LOL) This could get ugly.0 -
As soon as he can get to the vin number we can tell. Canadian Hudsons used different model numbers than the US models. And yes the Tilbury factory did use Pacemaker components from the 52 year on the 53 Wasps so we may have an answer there as the model changed over in 53.0
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Snuck out to the car with the camera again and got the picture that should identify the car. Here it is. And also confirmed that the car was last driven in 1956, as per the year on the license plate. Found the grill in the back seat too. Didn't look much further, the mosquitos were too wicked.
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4C confirms it as a 1953 American built Wasp.0
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Throw a chain around the rear axle and try draging the car away from the tree with a tractor or truck. If the back half of the car stays attached to the front half, it may be worth fixin' up.

Good Luck!
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Trees look to be grown right into the car. You need to cut them off so they fall away, over the fender, then cut again as low to the ground as possible. Best bet to move it is get a rollback (tilt-bed) up to it and winch it on. Alternately, 60's-70's GM bumper jacks will get it out of the ground, run two, one on each side of one end. Lift the front first, because on these the rear bumper mount areas are prone to rotting and I wouldn't lift on the rear without at least opening the trunk and inspecting from above.
Trust me, we move old cars that have sat for years outdoors, all the time, and here in NY they usually saw 10 winters of road salt before they got parked. I'm no Hudson rust expert but I have been under enough to know where they rot first and how bad they can get. We have one that actually did fall apart into pieces - yours looks better, but you never know.
Even if the car is rotty underneath, it has a lot of desirable parts on it -0 -
stiney wrote:Snuck out to the car with the camera again and got the picture that should identify the car. Here it is. And also confirmed that the car was last driven in 1956, as per the year on the license plate. Found the grill in the back seat too. Didn't look much further, the mosquitos were too wicked.

At least your front door jamb close-up looks better than mine did....:eek:
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That's a door jamb? :eek:0
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damn dan!!!! that was pretty bad!! you sure are pretty handy and not to mention you have alot more time and patience than i do. your c8 has come along way.0
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Dan, we cut cars up better than that...0
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